Following a link that’s supposed to go to “The God Squad’s” argument that atheism = immorality, I found this article instead:
TMS Features: WHY DO WE NEED A MESSIAH?
In case that link stops working, here is the article reprinted without permission (at least I give full credit where it’s due!) Scroll on down for my take on this absurdity….
WHY DO WE NEED A MESSIAH?
By Rabbi Marc Gellman and Monsignor Thomas Hartman
Tribune Media Services
Q: What would be the need for a messiah if we evolved from lower life forms, even IF God did start the process? Why would we need redemption? - K.S., via e-mail
A: The WAY we became human beings is the just and rightful province of science. WHY we became human beings is the just and rightful province of religion. The debate over evolution and Intelligent Design may be motivated by religious commitments, but that debate remains a scientific one. It’s the same debate that always occurs in evaluating a scientific theory, and the resolution of that debate hinges on which theory best explains the facts of human life on earth.
The purpose of human life is another matter altogether, and it is in those speculations that the belief in a messiah arises. The theological problems that belief in a messiah are meant to solve are first, the individual problem of atonement for our sins, and second, the collective problem of the presence of evil in a world created by an all powerful, benevolent God.
One of the ways we teach children about sin is to pound a bunch of nails into a board and ask the kids to imagine that each nail represents a sin we commit against God or against another person (and God). Then, we pull the nails out of the board and tell the kids that the nail holes represent the hurts we cause when we do wrong. We then ask them how to get rid of the holes. Some children say you can fill in the holes, sand the filler and paint the board, but even then you can see where the holes were made.
What is true about the nail holes is true about sin. When we sin, we wound ourselves, our character and others, and we must try to find a way to fill in the “holes” we cause by our callousness, cruelty, thoughtlessness and greed.
For Jews, the holes are filled in by atonement and by God’s grace (hesed in Hebrew). This is also true for Christians, except that there’s an additional belief that the atoning death and resurrection of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) helps fill in our sin holes and also atones for the original sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden in eating from the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge.
The second problem the Messiah solves is that of evil in the world. The Messiah is meant to fight the last battle of good over evil, punish the wicked and usher in the rule of peace and justice when, in the prophet Isaiah’s words, “The lion shall lie down with the lamb.”
In the case of Jewish messianic speculations, this might involve the appearance of a messiah to do battle with evil - the Messiah ben Yosef - and then the messiah for the end of time who will resurrect the dead - the Messiah ben David. The Christian belief is that the triumph of good over evil will be accomplished by Jesus at his second coming (the parousia in Greek).
In both traditions, the reign of the wicked will not last forever, and goodness and hope will be the fulfilled promise of God.
Can you spot the huge logical fallacy in there? Actually two. It’s an argument from fallacy and a false syllogism.
In order for their argument for a Messiah to have any merit, there must first be “sin” and the need for supernatural salvation from sin. Since their ideology assumes sin and eternal judgement by a supernatural power, then by their argument, there needs to be a savior from that sin. And so a Messiah is required to fill that purpose–regardless of whether it or he actually exist or not! There is no emperical evidence that there IS a Messiah or that we even need a Messiah, simply the belief that there is sin and thus the belief that there needs to be a savior from it.
It’s like saying, “There needs to be a reason why the sun goes up and down. I can’t imagine anything beyond fire and someone carrying fire. So the sun going up and down requires there to be a god named Apollo riding a flaming chariot across the sky.”
The first problem is the assumption of the existence of sin.
Do people do “wrong”? Absolutely! Like their board and nails analogy, do people hurt others and themselves? Yes. Can we judge that as wrong? Yes, most people would consider harming (physically, emotionally, mentally) another person or yourself is “wrong.”
But is that “sin”? Sin is the elevation of a wrong into something divinely prohibited. Most people from fundies to atheists would consider stealing “wrong” if for no other reason than because it takes ownership of something away from someone’s possession without their permission and removing their right to determine for themselves the use of that something. It disrespects personal liberty and is an exhibition of greed that affects someone else negatively.
Everyone (most reasonable people) regardless of religion or lack of would agree that alone is “wrong.” That SHOULD be enough. At least, most humanists and secularists feel that should be enough. Negatively affecting other people intentionally or thoughtlessly in and of itself is “bad” and creates damage to one’s relationships with others, with society, to their own psyche perhaps. But when a religion decides that simple human responsibility isn’t enough and something must be prohibited by a deity (regardless of whether people in general can agree that an act is considered “wrong” with or without supernatural prohibition,) that becomes “sin” and brings into it judgement by the supernatural.
Hypothetically, if a “wrong” is a “wrong” regardless of divine motivation, there is no need for divine salvation from that act. Societies create laws and punishments for people who comit these wrongs, regardless of religions. That’s why nearly every human society from ancient Egyption to Babylonian to Mayan, from Muslem to Buddhist to Shinto to American Indian, and everywhere else, have “laws” that tell people “this is wrong and you will be punished for doing it” to help deter those people who have problems realizing that harming others is not a responsible way to live in society.
Part of the reason supernatural judgements exist is because many cultures, Hebrew and early Christian among them, experienced mass persecution and terrible treatment by other cultures and societies around them. What do you do when you are a people for whom society’s laws don’t apply? You create divine justice which says those who deserve punishment will be ultimately punished even if they get away with it on Earth, and those of you who are “good” shall get rewarded despite the suffering you experience on Earth. Divine justice is wishful thinking on behalf of an oppressed culture.
Not to mention a way for a culture to set their societal laws in stone. How better to make sure people don’t cheat someone in a purchase of a donkey or a daughter or a slave than to say these rules are given from God and you better follow them or stoning is the least of your worries.
So, the existence of a Messiah begs the question of “from what?” Which requires a belief in sin, which requires a belief in being saved from sin…. Humanity will be much better off when when we can evolve past divine no-nos and realize doing harm to others is “wrong” regardless of if a deity says it is or not.
The stick of eternal punishment in the carrot-and-stick premise of religion is fundamentally a juvanile way to maintain order, as people who avoid doing wrong for fear of God’s wrath is an ultimately selfish motivation. “I want eternal paradise, not eternal punishment, so I must not do wrong” which I would argue is what motivates a very large percentage if not majority of religious people, is shallow and self-serving. Admitantly, some religious people do good and avoid wrongs in order to please God with little or no thought to their own fate, and that’s great! Just as possibly most non-theists avoid doing wrong to avoid arrest and punishment, there are a significant amount of people who avoid doing harm for the altruistic motive of bettering humanity and society.
I posit that of the two selfless motivations: pleasing a god and bettering humanity/society, the latter is a greater virtue as the former requires that a) You know what it is God wants and would please him (is it no longer the smell of burning flesh as found constantly in the Old Testament? No? OK.) and b) Pleasing God tends to depend upon ideology that ignores the plight and situations of your fellow humanity and the state of the Earth. Avoiding doing wrong, and doing good, for the betterment of your fellow man will only lead to a better society, a better humanity, making life here and now better and for future generations.
We don’t need a Messiah if there is no “sin,” only irresponsible and harmful acts.
This also pretty much sums up the “evil in the world” condition that begs the existence of a Messiah for salvation. “Evil” is another face of “sin,” a supernatural component to humans doing harm to other humans. Religion has placed the moniker of “evil” on acts that harm another. Evil is a way Western religions have come up to explain WHY people harm others or themselves. Humans are always looking for answers, and all too often make up answers that sound good instead of either searching harder or allowing themselves to simply not know the reason.
Why does the sun move? How did we get here, and why? Do I have a purpose? These are big questions. And ancient people who had no knowledge of cosmology and physics came up with answers like flaming chariots and human-like Gods forming objects in the nothingness. Humans require answers, and so we made answers up as ancient people. The problem is, many of us are trying to cling to these ancient and childish answers instead of looking at the new evidence that help us come to new answers. One would think it would be easy as a society to give up the incorrect ancient answers like Creationism in favor of more correct answers like evolution, but instead people find ways to defend the simple answers they grew up with. Making up arguments and reasons why the facts that refute their ancient answers are wrong.
And so it goes, moreso, with the philosophical questions and answers like evil and meaning. If there are divinely proscribed acts people must not do, there must be a REASON why people still do them! That reason MUST be “evil.” Booga-booga!
The idea that a Messiah will come to end the reign of the bad and fight for the good, is just an extension of the need for a divine justice that supersedes the “unfair” justice of humanity. Society’s laws and punishments are incomplete and sometimes unfair, and the deity’s justice is perfect. The problem is, which deity and which interpretation of the deity’s laws?
It embarrasses me that we modern humans still cling to ancient myths that were created to explain what we couldn’t understand back then, either scientifically or sociologically. When will we learn that our savior is ourselves! That as long as we rely on a God or a Messiah to make things right, we will continue to allow wrong to happen, and ignore the plight of humanity. The focus will always be on converting humanity to your belief in the supernatural as opposed to promoting the methods that will make all of humanity live in peace regardless of religion and myths.
I wanted to blog today on the supposition by the religious that non-theists are amoral. But I think I’ve done that. Anyone can (and should) realize that doing harm to self or another is “wrong.” We don’t need a deity to tell us this. To be “moral” under the fear of punishment from a supernatural force is childish, selfish, limiting, shallow, and superficial. True morality comes when you realize you don’t need a carrot and a stick to live without “sin,” you can do good and not do wrong simply because that’s the best way for humanity to get along with itself.